Stop using Brave Browser
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Seriously.
    • Schadrach@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
      1·
      1 year ago

      Firefox is Google’s controlled opposition. It exists so that Google can claim not to be a monopoly. There’s a reason a significant amount of their funding comes from Google, and it’s not because Google doesn’t have a vested interest in maintaining a single second place browser that’s popular but not too popular.

  • Gnubyte@lemdit.comEnglish
    10336·
    1 year ago

    the hateful browser

    Holy shit man imagine if we judged every huge project by one asshole at the top. There wouldn’t be a single thing to enjoy in this world.

    Edit:

    I am going to add more perspective to this, because holy shit people are so into eating nothing burgers.

    Reddit/Twitter was a database and API that everyone was centralized onto, there was no choice. Brave you can literally fork because its open source. Aside from that this was literally the CEO’s personal donation of $1000…in like 2014. Almost 10 yrs ago.

    Elon, as CEO and on the X/Twitter brand:

    Meanwhile Brendan:

    Gnubyte

  • ddnomad@infosec.pub
    631·
    1 year ago

    Use Firefox or Safari, the more people use Chromium-based browsers the faster we get to the situation where Google completely owns the Internet (and they almost do now).

  • tengkuizdihar@discuss.onlineEnglish
    645·
    1 year ago

    Vivaldi? Trusting a closed sourced application for privacy? What?

    Not even defending brave here, just weird that the author say that.

  • dantheclamman@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
    637·
    1 year ago

    Today I learned that people take it VERY PERSONALLY when you criticize their chosen browser. 😂

  • barberousse@lemmy.caEnglish
    6613·
    1 year ago

    Long time Brave user here. This made me uninstall Brave and move to Firefox. Thank you !

  • owiseedoubleyou@lemmy.mlEnglish
    588·
    1 year ago

    I can’t think of a reason why anyone would use a browser other than Firefox and it’s forks.

  • Shadywack@lemmy.worldEnglish
    9448·
    1 year ago

    This article is useless trash. There is no real technical argument here except “founder bad”.

    I do have reasons for not using Brave, but it’s to do with the annoying defaults and the crypto integration. They default whitelist Google, LinkedIn, and Facebook garbage that I have to go and toggle off.

    Given the level of effort and extensions like Facebook container on Firefox, I just prefer the better experience for me. This bullshit about getting on identity politics agendas I find abhorrent and repulsive. This author’s a stupid fuckhead.

    • Reygle@lemmy.worldEnglish
      237·
      1 year ago

      Did you read the whole thing and you’re just okay with them quietly pulling sponsored links for FTX?

      • linearchaos@lemmy.worldEnglish
        104·
        1 year ago

        Not sure about OP,

        I read the whole thing and it doesn’t really bother me because I’d never touch their coin crap. The whole we’ll pay you to browse smells like a pyramid scheme.

        Downsides:

        CEO is an ass: check

        They’ll sell my traffic: check

        They’ve added a half assed insecure tor implementation: check

        They’ve replaced ads on websites with their own to an illegal level: check

        They’re trying to use crypto currency to fund themselves and did that to a level that got them charged by the FTC: check

        Once their crypto plans fails, they’ll probably either sell more of my data or fold up: check

        Upsides:

        Runs all my chrome plugins

        Tight IPFS integration without running Kubo

        Decent P2P bookmark/history syncing to unlimited nodes without making an account

        Very solid anti-fingerprinting when combined with privacy badger.

        Small enough that selling my data will have less reach than Google or Microsoft selling my data

        Blocks youtube ads, even on mobile (while they still can)

    • Wakmrow@lemmy.worldEnglish
      133·
      1 year ago

      Your reasons are discussed in the post. Did you just read the first section and then get mad?

    • dsmk@lemmy.zipEnglish
      6·
      1 year ago

      They default whitelist Google, LinkedIn, and Facebook garbage that I have to go and toggle off.

      They have to do that, otherwise things like the “login with Google” buttons disappear from sites, breaking logins for many users.

      I wouldn’t be affected by the settings being enabled by default as I always create a local account, but I’m also not the average internet user. My parents and most of my friends would though, and those are the users Brave are trying to get to use their browser.

    • Snapz@lemmy.worldEnglish
      41·
      1 year ago

      They aren’t.

      The author also makes a much more compelling argument than you on their position, and the article supports the argument with verifiable fact and links.

      Only one side of the equation uses the phrase “identity politics”, and it’s the broken flailing, desperate side - Gay people are going to get married, trans people exist and interracial couples are going to walk down your main Street holding hands and smiling. You need to accept these basic facts about your fellow human beings.

      • Shadywack@lemmy.worldEnglish
        12·
        1 year ago

        One of my best friends is gay and married, and I fully support their right to do so and be recognized as a couple. I just don’t see how the politics of a founder need to have any bearing on how I use the product. Conservatives like using iPhones and liberals still like their Chik-Fil-A food and Marvel entertainment despite Perlmutter moving huge amounts of money for conservative support. It’s hypocritical for people to froth at the mouth over Brendan Eich while they still order from Amazon, shop at Walmart, and patron many other conservative companies. Identity politics in consumerism is ridiculous, and pandering to the virtue signaling helps no one. “Founder bad” arguments are pathetic, as are the constant reminders that we need to shop X for social causes.

      • Shadywack@lemmy.worldEnglish
        11·
        1 year ago

        From KHTML to Webkit, to Blink. Forking forked forks, but still open source. If we were talking about a closed source browser then it would be a travesty. Today what Google’s doing with Web Integrity is disgusting, but their freely available codebase is not. If the Linux kernel supplanted the NT kernel and Apple decided to re-develop the Mac and iOS (however absurd the notion is given the gigantic amount of work required to do, let’s just say hypothetically), and Linux had a “monopoly” on kernels by getting 95% marketshare across mobile and desktop systems, I highly doubt there’d be an uproar for the sake of “muh choices”.

        As to self awareness, conservatives like iPhones, and liberals love them some Chik-Fil-A, and I can write off pointless articles trying to get me to shop elsewhere over “founder bad” for gender or identity politics. My best friend is a gay man, and I am happy for that couple to have the right to do so. If I didn’t use a product or service because of a political misalignment, I wouldn’t use anything. Companies that work against socialized medicine irk me because I think we need that, and companies that support gun control irk me because I live by castle doctrine.

        There is room in this country for people that purple and cross their ideals, this idea of absolutes is absurd. Gender and identity politics are pointless to even address given the challenges ahead of us, how about we give a shit about…housing or healthcare? Let’s maybe do something about climate change by addressing gentrification and long commutes? Let’s fight together to keep our WFH.

        Selective outrage is where all the LGBTQ issues belong for the short term, we have real problems.

    • linearchaos@lemmy.worldEnglish
      55·
      1 year ago

      This really sums up everything I felt while reading it.

      I’m still using it and Firefox in lieu of Chrome

      Brave + Privacy badger has the only working fingerprint reduction (https://coveryourtracks.eff.org/) I can find. So I know brave is tracking me, but all the sites I visit had a hard time doing so if I don’t log in.

      I use IPFS quite a bit and I really like that it’s integrated without me having to install Kubo everywhere. I tried the companion in FF but it still opens ipfs:// in brave.

      The CEO is a piece of crap. That seems pretty average IMO.

      They’ll sell my data. Anyone that can fingerprint me will do the same. I have one smallish company selling my data instead of google or Microsoft.

      They have previously done shitty things and they have put in too many fake features in the name of privacy like a half assed TOR implementation.

      I’m not against trying other things. but every time someone says OMG BRAVE IS THE WORST. It ends up with a very slight Utility > Evil function for me.

  • orca@orcas.enjoying.yachtsEnglish
    496·
    1 year ago

    I ditched Brave ages ago when the ad and crypto bullshit really ramped up, and finding out Peter Thiel was involved and Brendan Eich was a bigot, were more than enough to keep me away from Brave.

    I currently use Arc on desktop because it makes my life as a busy dev much easier to organize, and Safari on iOS because every browser on there is just Safari anyway. iOS Safari + custom DNS to block ads. Works for me.

    I’d use Firefox but Arc’s organization features have become insanely useful.

  • Reygle@lemmy.worldEnglish
    4910·
    1 year ago

    Things wrong with Brave: #1- It isn’t Firefox/a Firefox derivative

  • pottedmeat7910@lemmy.worldEnglish
    416·
    1 year ago

    I started using Brave about a year ago… I didn’t know any of this.

    The Prop 8 stuff is enough of a reason for me. Firefox it is, I guess.

  • rog@lemmy.oneEnglish
    416·
    1 year ago

    I dont know why anyone would leave chrome and land on something like brave.

    If youre ditching chrome, which you should, go to an actual different browser and use Firefox.

    • hayes_@lemmy.worldEnglish
      2·
      1 year ago

      Personal anecdote:

      When I initially decided to drop Chrome, I moved to Brave because - as a chromium-based browser - it supported the same set of extensions I’d grown accustomed to.

      That being said, the crypto stuff weirded me out enough that, once I’d weaned myself off the extensions, I switched to Firefox.

      • Justice@lemmygrad.mlEnglish
        0·
        1 year ago

        What extensions does chrome have which are useful that Firefox doesn’t?

        My only recurring issue with Firefox, which may have been fixed I dunno, is it for some reason it “isn’t officially supported” or whatever exact wording to use hardware security keys (like yubikey, which I use on every account that allows it). It’s only certain websites that don’t want to work though. Like google, Microsoft and many others were fine but I think paypal didn’t want to work properly but it does work on Edge, Chrome, probably Brave. Overall annoying as fuck at times but I deal with it to be out of Google’s-world

    • Cypher@aussie.zoneEnglish
      1·
      1 year ago

      Streaming services seem to lower bitrate when I’m using Firefox vs Brave, so Brave is my go to for streaming.

      I use Firefox for everything else.

    • mrsgreenpotato@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
      1·
      1 year ago

      I am using Brave mainly because of its superb YouTube support - It has a built in ad block, can download videos offline and play minimized. Is there any way I can achieve this with any other browser? I would switch immediately.

    • Avid Amoeba@lemmy.caEnglish
      21·
      1 year ago

      Chromium has metric shit tons of work done that seems to perform great. What I would love to see is for Mozilla to fork Chromium, staff it with enough people to maintain it, add/remove the features they feel are appropriate/inappropriate, and thus reuse the tons of free work Google and others have already done. As a software engineer, I don’t buy the argument that it’s easier to correctly implement every new web feature anew than maintaining a fork. Every large org that ships anything based on Android for example maintains a fork of an even bigger codebase. It’s not as complicated as people make it out to be. It’s not a new problem and there are strategies to manage it. If Mozilla does this, they’ll be able to play an active role in steering by far the biggest rendering engine’s direction, instead of playing opposition with no stake in it. Now downvote away! 😄

      • tate@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
        21·
        1 year ago

        The more market share chrome based browsers have, the easier it is for google to inflict their agenda for the internet on everyone. If firefox didnt exist, every web developer would be optimizing their sites only for chrome, and responding quickly to any change google wants to make.

        • Avid Amoeba@lemmy.caEnglish
          1·
          1 year ago

          It really doesn’t matter what Firefox’es codebase is though. To a web developer it’s a black box. It may as well be COBOL. So long as enough people use it and it behaves differently to a web developer than Google’s Chromium or Chrome, the goal you mentioned is achieved. This is why I don’t buy this argument.

    • chris2112@lemmy.worldEnglish
      11·
      1 year ago

      I’ve tried Firefox several times but always end up back on chromium due to compatibility; a lot of sites don’t play well with anything but chrome anymore and this is very much something intentionally caused by Google, who have basically taken a page out of Microsoft’s playbook but with a much more mature product that is going to be substantially harder to replace then IE was

    • exonac@feddit.deEnglish
      02·
      1 year ago

      Brave is the only browser I know that can play youtube videos in the background on mobile. Please tell me another browser that can do that. The UX is just really good.

  • AphoticDev@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
    406·
    1 year ago

    Oh boy, this comment section is gonna be spicy. I can already smell the smoke from the Brave enthusiasts heads exploding.

  • seitanic@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
    353·
    1 year ago

    The writer is proposing Vivaldi, a closed-source browser, as an alternative to Brave, which is free and open-source. I think a better alternative would be Ungoogled Chromium.