cross-posted from: https://lemmy.zip/post/22604748
The Vision Pro uses 3D avatars on calls and for streaming. These researchers used eye tracking to work out the passwords and PINs people typed with their avatars.
Archived version: https://web.archive.org/web/20240912100207/https://www.wired.com/story/apple-vision-pro-persona-eye-tracking-spy-typing/
This makes perfect sense. The only way around it would be to randomize the location of the digits/letters, and I’m sure people would throw a fit if that was the case. Still it should be an option.
Or just use a f***ing password manager?! (Unlocked with retinaID same as with faceID on iPhone)
We are not in 2010 anymore…
Or just not show people what you’re typing.
That’s what they actually did if you read the article. They don’t pass through the eyes the same when you’re on a keyboard now.
Couldn’t you theoretically do the same thing by tracking someone’s eye movements on video chat, if they look at their keyboard while typing?
you’d have to move your eyes from letter to letter, like Vision Pro users
Maybe but I’m guessing most cameras don’t have as high of a res of your pupil?
Yes and no, it’s not really as accurate, 1 - if the guy do not watch his keyboard at all. 2 - if the guy is watching a bit his keyboard but only to the approximate place of the letter and remember the position after. BUT this could be counter by training an AI to extrapolate the results to get something more precise
Seems like something strapped to your face would be good use case for biometrics
Yea, you don’t need to type password if you use passkeys that are unlocked using retinaID or how it is called in the vision pro.
that “virtual keyboard” sounds awful, glad the flaw was caught quickly lmao I would just use a regular keyboard while in the headset, but I suppose that doesn’t work for most people who need to look at it to type.
It does render the keyboard, arms and hands into the virtual environment. And the look’n’snap technique to write is not as bad as you may think.
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fearworry unlocked…Seems like this was done by working out passwords based on figuring out where people were looking and gesturing, rather than looking directly at the keyboard.
As a person using an uncommon keyboard layout, I reckon this would make it harder to hack my typing.
IF I could even get such a layout on wherever VR system I would theoretically be using… 😬
just don’t input passwords while on call/streaming? anyway, looks like it’s easy to fix, just disable avatar eye movement mapping when inputing a password, also I doubt if it’s real vector of attack, more of a proof of concept maybe?
Asking because I’ve never had the experience: how does one write anything while wearing a VR set? Please don’t tell me it’s one-finger “Fliegender Adler” on a giant floaty image of a keyboard?
This would utterly kill the comfort, convenience, and speed of touch typing, would it not? Ahh, progress… Even in Minority Report they had (friggin’ sweet-looking!) keyboards alongside their fancy futuristic FAUI*.
^((* FAUI - flailing arms UI)^)
Flying Adler approach works and is the solution for noobs. Pros either use a real world keyboard or just look at the letter they want to type and snap 🫰 like this to type that letter. You can type pretty fast with the look’n’snap technic.
From the article:
Your eyes are your mouse when using the Vision Pro. When typing, you look at a virtual keyboard that hovers around, and can be moved and resized. When you’re looking at the right letter, tapping two fingers together works as a click.
So they were working backwards to determine the inputs based off of the observed eye motion.
I have a much less modern VR headset and you can definitely still type on a regular keyboard while you’re wearing it. You can’t see the keyboard though, so you need to be skilled enough to touch type. I can’t find any reliable-looking statistics on it with a quick search, but it seems like that is not a very common skill
… Like what is not a very common skill? Touch typing in general? Or doing it under VR specifically?
- The latter would be quite niche I suppose.
- The former? I cry for the current and future generations. It really is not very hard to learn, realistic to master, and incredibly useful in daily (professional and personal) life.
Touch typing. Like I said I cannot find any reputable statistics. touchtypeit.co.uk claims “according to research” it’s less than 20%, but does not actually link any specific research. There are some other sites like it that are trying to sell you a product and list a low percentage, but I can’t find any actual studies or statistics
Vision pro renders the keyboard into your virtual environment, like it does with your arms/hands
Don’t if it’s a good idea or not but the solution is this case should be to have something like stars passwords or randomized eye movements. Artificial movements basically
