• notTheCat@lemmy.mlEnglish
        61·
        9 months ago

        I think Arch really makes sure stuff are compatible before rolling, my 32bit Void laptop has had Python 3.12 for months, and I get all kind of weird warnings when installing Python packages, while Arch is still on 3.11 (maybe testing is on 3.12 idk)

        • baduhai@sopuli.xyz
          11·
          9 months ago

          There’s that, and there’s also the fact that there’s only so many maintainer volunteer manhours. It happens to every distro, it just so hapenned that NixOS was faster this time. Though OpenSuse and NixOS suffer from this a bit less, as they’ve gone out of their way to automate large parts of their update and testing infrastructure(OpenSuse automates everything, I think?).

    • million@lemmy.worldEnglish
      4·
      9 months ago

      You know, I am fine with it. One of the reasons I am using Tumbleweed is for the additional testing they do, so if they aren’t cool with shipping it yet I can wait.

    • Botzo@lemmy.world
      27·
      9 months ago

      I upgraded today!

      Encountered only one multimonitor issue with one panel migrating to the primary display after logout/restart, but otherwise, smooth sailing.

      Wayland session even seems stable on Nvidia again (I have nothing but regrets about that GPU choice I made 4 years ago).

          • Fizz@lemmy.nz
            5·
            9 months ago

            5.27 Wayland was also broken for me and my 2070s. However kde 6 Wayland seems to be good so far.

      • 737@lemmy.blahaj.zone
        2·
        9 months ago

        I tried using my Nvidia GPU with Wayland on Plasma 6. For most normal applications it seems fine, however, HDR doesn’t work properly and some games like Minecraft have a flickering image. At least they fixed the blur and flickering in Firefox.

        Using latest Arch Nvidia package.

        • Petar Kulić@mstdn.plus
          1·
          9 months ago

          @Botzo
          I upgraded also, had trouble with custom service menus I use, found out by myself now they must be in ~/.local/share/kio/servicemenus/ instead of ~/.local/share/kservices5/ServiceMenus/, nowhere online anybody says anything about that. Weird.

        • DefederateLemmyMl@feddit.nlEnglish
          6·
          9 months ago

          Here’s an overview:

          • SDDM crashed with some error about the theme: I haven’t looked into it yet though. For the time being I disabled SDDM and reverted to console login and startx.

          • All my kwin window rules stopped working. Apparently, the window title matching string now should include the window class (i.e. “urxvt URxvt” instead of just “urxvt”), so I had to redo all my window rules.

          • ksysguard is gone, together with all my customized monitoring pages and its replacement plasma-systemmonitor is broken. It’s complaining about missing sensors, and core dumps on some screens.

          • Some of my custom keyboard shortcuts were not working anymore. Had to reconfigure them.

          • Desktop overview is gone, replaced with something that has less functionality: I can move windows from the currently selected desktop to another one, but I can’t drag windows between desktops.

          • The Breeze theme now shows a very thick (and IMO ugly) outline by default. Thankfully you can tune or disable it in the settings.

          • Floating taskbar by default is also not my thing, but easy enough to disable. New “edit mode” feels a bit janky though.

          • When navigating between panes in System settings, it often shows the “apply settings” dialog even when no settings have been changed. Stop gaslighting me ksystemsettings, I know what I clicked.

          • Resizing the window of some (but not all) applications now produces a kind of rubber banding effect: like the contents of the window get stretched and then snap back into place multiple times during the resize. It looks and feels really janky. It doesn’t appear to affect QT and GTK applications, and Firefox isn’t affected either. Applications that are affected: chrome/chromium, vscode, freetube, tigervnc, urxvt, xterm and all the x* utilties. Turning off compositing “fixes” it, but who wants to run a desktop without compositing nowadays?

          • Screen locking is completely broken. When I press Meta+L, instead of simply showing me the lockscreen, the display turns off and starts to flicker on and off multiple times while showing just a black screen and a mouse cursor. After a while the lockscreen does appear, and I can type my password to unlock but instead of showing me my desktop it dumps me back to a black screen with a mouse cursor. After a while, if I’m lucky, the desktop reappears. One time my entire system froze and rebooted (!) before I got my desktop back, and I lost my unsaved work. I disabled automatic desktop locking for the time being, and am fighting against my muscle memory to press Meta+L whenever I leave my desk.

          Especially the last two are bothering me.

          • MrMcGasion@lemmy.world
            2·
            9 months ago

            There is still a desktop overview that allows dragging windows between virtual desktops (Meta+G) unfortunately when they removed the old overview, they forgot to fully integrate the new overview, so it can’t be activated by screen edges (which is how I used to access the old desktop overview).

            • DefederateLemmyMl@feddit.nlEnglish
              2·
              9 months ago

              Yeah I found that, but it seems that it can’t arrange my desktops in a 3x2 grid. A 6x1 grid makes the desktop miniwindows a bit small.

          • NinjaCheetah@sh.itjust.works
            1·
            9 months ago

            Oof yeah, definitely noticed some of those. I also totally lost screen share for both Wayland apps via portals and X11 apps in Xwayland, which really sucks.

            • DefederateLemmyMl@feddit.nlEnglish
              2·
              9 months ago

              In the meantime I found a few more nice ones …

              • Mouse cursor does not always obey the selected cursor theme, so depending on which window I hover over I get the white Breeze Light cursor or the black Adwaita cursor… Oddly enough, it’s the new QT6 applications that get the Adwaita cursor. I couldn’t replicate this on a “fresh” desktop with a clean user account, so it must be something in my existing settings that caused b0rkage in the 5 to 6 transition.

              • Can’t toggle mpv to fullscreen. The F key does nothing, neither does the --fullscreen switch.

    • NinjaCheetah@sh.itjust.works
      2·
      9 months ago

      Really wish I had waited. Post-update screen share is totally dead on my system. Apps that request access via a portal don’t work and never are given access to whatever I select and X11 apps that try to share X11 apps just have a black screen. It’s sucked because of how often I screen share on discord, and I’ve now totally lost that in both the client and on web. OBS virtual camera can’t even help me now because it can’t get access to anything.

      Also on my girlfriend’s computer it totally broke graphical acceleration in the shell. Anything that uses it causes the whole shell to lag, and it makes any playing audio choppy.

      There’s also lots of little annoyances around like the entire shell crashing when I change themes that have made me wildly unimpressed so far.

      You’re best off waiting.

  • Eggyhead@kbin.run
    272·
    9 months ago

    I’m absolutely new to Linux (thanks to steam deck, which I think is arch Linux), what is KDE 6? Is that like a new OS update? Are there any implications for steam deck users?

      • Eggyhead@kbin.run
        28·
        9 months ago

        Thank you for making such a thoughtful response! Out of curiosity, does this mean KDE actually runs on other distros of Linux as well? Until now, I had been under the impression that KDE was just arch Linux itself. Would you happen to know a good way for me to learn more about Linux, and how to put it to good use from a beginner’s perspective?

        • OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.mlOP
          7·
          9 months ago

          Followup on the other person’s response - I don’t actually know of any modern desktop distro that doesn’t support KDE. That’s not because distros go out of their way to package KDE, but simply because at the end of the day, KDE is simply a fullscreen app (with a heck of a lot of functionality), and if you can compile code, you can compile and run KDE.

        • socialpankakemix@lemmy.blahaj.zone
          6·
          9 months ago

          to answer your question KDE is not arch. Linux has a bunch of distros, you can think of one as a collection of packages. some distros want to do things one way some want to do it others.

          the biggest difference between distros for most users are mostly desktop environments and package managers. KDE is the desktop enrollment, there are many others that you could also use, like gnome, or use none at all and only use the terminal. the package manager is how you get new packages and update the ones you already have. examples are apt and pacman.

          you can make any distro work like another by installing the same packages, although this may not always be the easiest to do. an easy way to change your experience with Linux is to try a different desktop environment, you can run multiple on the same distro and switch between them, see what you like.

        • Throwaway1234@sh.itjust.works
          5·
          9 months ago

          Until now, I had been under the impression that KDE was just arch Linux itself.

          Like others have already noted, KDE Plasma[1] is widely available and thus not only limited to Arch Linux. Heck, the same applies to 99% of the available software on Linux; universal package managers[2] have been vital to this.

          Would you happen to know a good way for me to learn more about Linux, and how to put it to good use from a beginner’s perspective?

          As you already own a Steam Deck, I assume you want to look into how you may improve your mileage out of it. Others have already noted how you may do so for more traditional systems. But the way Linux is utilized on the Steam Deck is rather unique. It utilizes immutability[3] (i.e. the inability to make certain (permanent) changes) which makes it rather harsh to change certain parts of the system; SteamOS’ implementation might even require you to redo some of these changes every so often… which is probably not what you were expecting. To circumvent this, perhaps it’s worth exploring other SteamOS-like distributions that are more friendly towards tinkerers. There are many to choose from; perhaps this breakdown may help you with making an informed decision (even if it’s found on a page dedicated to the Legion Go).

          1. That is, the desktop environment (i.e. the piece of software responsible for how you visually interact with your system) that team KDE works on. They’re also responsible for many other projects; like Kate, Kdenlive and Krita etc (these are often easily recognized by their names that start with a “K”).
          2. We may refer to package managers as the original App/Play Stores; a piece of software used to find, install and upgrade software. For a long time, every major distribution (like Arch, Debian and Fedora) had its own repository (i.e. set of installable software through the package manager). This meant that, it was very conceivable that software may be packaged (i.e. distributed and maintained through the repository) on some distros (abbreviation for distributions) but not on others. In the last couple of years, so-called universal package managers (like AppImage, Distrobox (technically this doesn’t belong here, but it does allow access to packages found on (other) distros), Flatpak, Guix, Nix and Snap) have become alternative package managers that are distro-agnostic. And have slowly, but surely, ridden Linux distros from concerns related to package availability.
          3. There’s a lot to say about immutability. But for now, it’s most important to note that not all systems that are (sometimes falsely) referred to as immutable are created equally. For example, the respective implementations for Bazzite, Jovian NixOS and SteamOS differ immensely from one another. Arguably, referring to Bazzite and Jovian NixOS as immutable with ‘unchanging’ being what’s implied, would be a major disservice to both projects.
        • Tattorack@lemmy.world
          4·
          9 months ago

          Yes. I’m running Ubuntu and I have recently changed the desktop environment from Gnome to KDE.

        • sorrybookbroke@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          3·
          9 months ago

          If you like youtube, the linux cast is a great option. For news though, the linux experiment can’t be beat. You’ll learn more as you go along and always know you can ask questions if you have them

          • Eggyhead@kbin.run
            3·
            9 months ago

            Thanks! I just watched a video the Linux cast posted about KDE, and found a KDE 6 video posted by the Linux experiment. I’ll watch that one later. There’s still a lot of terminology that is lost on me, but I’m sure I’ll pick it up in time.

            • Fisch@lemmy.ml
              3·
              9 months ago

              If you’re interested in KDE in particular, you should also check out Nicco Loves Linux. He’s one of the KDE developers and makes a lot of videos about it.

            • teawrecks@sopuli.xyz
              2·
              9 months ago

              The new terminology will be never ending. The unix philosophy is to make small tools that do one thing really well (vs a single large monolithic OS that does a ton of things half decently), so every single component in and around Linux has a name, its own set of maintainers, and pages of documentation you could spend hours to months learning (depending on the tool).

              On top of that, the open source ecosystem isn’t centralized, there’s no CEO telling everyone the one way to do things. Instead, everyone is free to build whatever they want according to whatever design patterns they choose. This is a blessing and a curse. There are packages that work nicely with other packages, and there are many you probably shouldn’t waste your time with.

              All this is to say, I recommend always having a goal in mind when digging into Linux, and get good at skimming new terminology that you think is relevant to your goal. Be able to quickly understand what something does and how it’s used, but avoid going down the rabbit hole for every little thing.

              That’s not to say you shouldn’t satisfy your curiosity, just know that you can be overwhelmed quickly if you don’t know how to tune out the noise. Being goal oriented helps me stay on task as I learn.

              Good luck!

  • Pumpkin Escobar@lemmy.worldEnglish
    22·
    9 months ago

    One really annoying problem, in firefox the mouse cursor position is wrong. Clicking in firefox clicks on the thing 30-ish pixels above my mouse. I noticed that it only happens when firefox is snapped to the left or right half of the screen (of course that’s how I almost always use it). I can fix it if I maximize firefox then snap it left or right. 100% scaling on the monitor, nothing funky, reset theme/appearance, reset my firefox profile, etc…

    Hopefully it gets sorted soon

  • MyNameIsRichard@lemmy.ml
    21·
    9 months ago

    I installed it on my endeavour laptop last night and apart from reconfiguring my dock-like panel and weather widget, it’s all been plain sailing so far. Now I just need Tumbleweed to release it so I can update my main desktop!

  • thingsiplay@beehaw.org
    17·
    9 months ago

    I also switched to Wayland for a surprise challenge. And for the extra spice, I also have a Kwin script called Polonium, which supports Plasma 6 only in the current dev version directly from git. Some widgets do not work, but all in all, it’s relatively stable so far and I will get through it.

    Good luck everybody.

  • x2XS2L0U@feddit.de
    11·
    9 months ago

    Other than messing with my scaling and two incompatible applets it just runs absolutely fine. Glad I waited for a week - was thinking about installing it from testing.

    • Random Dent@lemmy.mlEnglish
      2·
      9 months ago

      Yeah I had a similar experience, it forgot my wifi login for some reason and there were a couple of minor theme/widget glitches, which was fully expected because my system is pretty customized, but other than that it was completely smooth. Maybe half an hour or so of tinkering from updating to being back to normal.

  • businessfish@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
    8·
    9 months ago

    i upgraded last night! and when i booted up this morning, i was unable to log into any accounts in the login screen lol. if anyone else has a similar issue where the only option login screen gives you is wayland and that doesnt work for you or you want to use x11, what fixed it for me was installing plasma-meta as for whatever reason that wasn’t on my system at the time. this allowed me to select x11 again from the login screen and my system is working as normal.

    i know we’re still in early days of plasma 6, but does anyone know any good calendar/weather/time widgets that i can replace this one with? https://store.kde.org/p/998901/ haven’t found another good calendar widget yet.