• just_another_person@lemmy.world
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    He was 45, had been in good health and was noted for having a healthy lifestyle.

    Looks like Boeing is just taking a page right out of Russians books and doing obvious murders in the open now.

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      He died from a MRSA infection, which can and does kill people at any stage of life. That shit is everywhere, but whether you get sick or not is kinda a crap shoot.

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        MRSA is not that common. Most people get it from contact in medical facilities, but some people (very few) do carry it around.

        When someone contracts it and becomes seriously ill, it usually means they weren’t a carrier to begin with, or had an immunodeficiency that allowed the pathogen to overtake an equilibrium with their immune system. They do hardcore contact tracing if someone actually dies from it, and if nobody around this guy had it…quite suspicious. That’s all I’m saying.

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          He was sick in hospital with pneumonia, before he got MRSA though. In hospitals there’s a higher chance to catch MRSA, especially if someone is already weakened by a severe lung infection.

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            Absolutely, my toddler had MRSA within a few days after he was born and its most likely due to some contamination or something to the effect.

            Hospitals are a severe breeding grounds for resistant bacterial strains via sewage.

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          I’d like one example where MRSA has been used for bioterrorism. Never heard of it when I was a medical lab tech in the military, nor as a medical lab scientist later in my life. Bioterrorism is extremely rare, and MRSA is a poor choice for a biological weapon.

          E. coli O157:H7 would be a better choice, or Vibrio, or really any of the enteric pathogens introduced to food or water supplies.

          • Uriel238 [all pronouns]@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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            Well, the 1984 bioterror attack associated with the Rajneeshee was done with salmonella. The question this raises is if there are any advantages to cultivating it as an assassin’s weapon.

            I’m not saying I know it is, only that the two associated deaths make for a pretty amazing coincidence.

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              Salmonella is not MRSA (methicillin resistant Staphylococcus aureus). The point I was trying to make is Staph isn’t a good bioterrorism agent. It doesn’t spread like weaponized anthrax, it’s not particularly deadly, and it can’t be spread by food/water like the enteric pathogens. It’s just not suitable or we’d have researched the fuck out of it at USAMRIID.

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      Have the obvious suspects been arrested? Eh, I mean, like a few hundreds of people on central roles in a very big company. No.

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      He went to the hostpital for trouble breathing.

      In the hospital he was intubated. He got pneumonia and then MRSA in his blood.

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        If pneumonia got him into the hospital he could’ve gotten MRSA in the hospital.

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            This sounds almost exactly like what happened to a colleague of mine last year. Guy aspirated some food. Lead to an infection. Turned into pneumonia. Died.

            All that happened within 1 week.

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      Not a doctor here, but fulminant meningitis can kill a person in about 24/48 hours even if treated, for example.

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      It’s the chain of events that could be suspicious, or totally random.

      A person has trouble breathing, which could have been induced, or just bad luck, then goes to hospital and dies of MRSA - which also could have been induced, or just bad luck.

      The most logical explanation is that bad things happen to people all the time and it’s usually not murder.

      However, because of the widespread press coverage of the previous “suicide”, it makes sense that if additional whistleblowers were being killed, that the methods would grow increasingly complex and obfuscated.

      Remember, these were all long time employees. Boeing is going to have all sorts of information on them, including their medical history and that’s not even factoring in the resources they have available.

      It’s not hard to imagine that they would know how to create a situation where a person gets hospitalized, without causing suspicion, and have the resources to finish them off inside that hospital with something like a rapid MRSA infection.

      Or maybe all this means is that corporations really are people and Boeing is the reincarnation of Jesus Christ. Now, God is an enacting revenge on the people who have testified against his favorite son, and our Savior: Jesus Boeing Christ.

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        However, because of the widespread press coverage of the previous “suicide”, it makes sense that if additional whistleblowers were being killed, that the methods would grow increasingly complex and obfuscated.

        This only matters if 1) you don’t want anyone to know it was you, or 2) you want people to know it was you to send a message, and you’re not afraid of any repercussions.

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          If you’re Boeing, or even just a rogue Boeing executive/team, the best way to make sure you fail at this would be to leave an obvious trail of bodies.

          These ambiguous deaths are plausibly unrelated enough to justify no one looking too closely, but are clear enough for their intended audience.

          Hell, even if Boeing just got insanely “lucky” and these two deaths are as they appear, it’s still going to have a massive chilling effect on anyone else who might have been considering coming forward.

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    Hey guys, unless I missed Boeing getting into biological warfare, I’m pretty sure an infection had nothing to do with them. It’s funny to circlejerk though, I know.

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    Boing is starting to have a bigger mysterious trail of bodies around them than Hilary Clinton.

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      “The Congressional Record (1994) stated that the compiler of the original list, Linda Thompson, admitted she had “‘no direct evidence’ of Clinton killing anyone. Indeed, she says the deaths were probably caused by ‘people trying to control the president’ but refuses to say who they were.”

      “Several sources have discredited the conspiracy theory, such as the Congressional Record,[4] the Lakeland Ledger, the Chicago Tribune, Snopes and others, pointing to detailed death records, the unusually large circle of associates that a president is likely to have, and the fact that many of the people listed had been misidentified or were still alive. Others had no known link to the Clintons.“

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinton_body_count_conspiracy_theory

      Can we let Vince Foster rest you fucking ghouls.

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      It’s really competitive of them trying to knock Putin off of the top of the charts.

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      As someone who’s not following 🇺🇸 news, what does that (Hilary) part means?

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        There’s a conspiracy theory (not entirely without merit, but generally assumed to be baseless) that people with negative information about the Clintons end up dead suspiciously. Epstein was one such person, under this theory.

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          Why didn’t they kill Monica? This conspiracy theory is actual garbage.

          Both of the Clintons are garbage human beings who didn’t/don’t deserve to be in office (which is true of most politicians). Bill definitely coerced women into sex. But when the loudest critics of the Clintons are tinfoil loons, it takes all of the air out of the room.

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            That’s the biggest hole in the theory for me. If they’re willing to disappear people, there are a lot of people they seem to have missed.

            There’s a sort of counter theory that says that the Clintons themselves started the conspiracy theory as a way of putting all Clinton dissent under the heading of a conspiracy, and honestly I find that much more believable.

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          Thanks for explaining.

          I never heard of that. and for the Eipstein, I always associated his info with powerful people, but not specifically with the Clintons ಠ_ಠ

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            Right, there are a lot of possible names to blame for Epstein for sure. Like I said, it’s a theory that’s largely considered to be baseless. The Clintons have a lot of faults, but I haven’t seen any indication that they’re into assassinations.