• sleepyTonia@programming.dev
    5·
    7 months ago

    And in my case, I kinda don’t like Endeavour OS. I installed it on my laptop to try it out a couple months ago. It looked to me like a convenient no nonsense installer for Arch with some nice defaults, then you stumble on their custom update/mirror manager nonsense. Then you want to use a printer and realize they left CUPS disabled, as if to give you an “excuse” to use systemctl. Then if you want to use Samba, you need to go out of your way to find a default config file. I’ve had to jump through more hoops and dealt with more quirky nonsense than with Manjaro stable on that distro.

    It’s like it doesn’t know who this is meant for. People who want their hand held through a GUI for something basic as updating their system, or people who love writing their own config file for everything.

    Might as well install Arch, really.

    -Other happy Manjaro user

    • Allero@lemmy.today
      4·
      7 months ago

      Exactly! That is my neverending conundrum with people going for Endeavour.

      Like, why not Arch at this point?

      Thanks for your voice!

      • Samueru@lemmy.ml
        4·
        7 months ago

        Also endeavour is not really arch with a graphical installer, or that is what I’ve seen at least.

        I tried to help someone once that installed endevouros and for some reason their kernel parameters were being overwritten every time they updated, turns out that was an issue because endeavour installed dracut instead of mkinitcpio by default? I don’t know wtf was that. They ended up switching to arch after that lol.

        Also their /efi directory was set as read-only to the root user, meaning that to even see if their kernel parameters were there they needed sudo lol

        • PolarisFx@lemmy.dbzer0.com
          3·
          7 months ago

          I just switched to Endeavour from Manjaro when I upgraded my hardware, and every update changes the default kernel on the selection screen. I go in and edit the file to change the default from lts to the latest kernel, and the next update switches it right back. It’s maddening, i could do Arch, and I’ve done it on other machines I just don’t have the time for that level of customization. I already waste enough time tinkering.

          • Samueru@lemmy.ml
            2·
            7 months ago

            You should be able to just switch mirrors, default apps and switch to arch while on endevour.

            I know you can switch from arch to artix which is a lot more stuff being replaced, so it should be much simpler to switch from endevour to arch.

            • PolarisFx@lemmy.dbzer0.com
              2·
              7 months ago

              I thought Endeavour was just Arch with an installer. Conversion is as simple as swapping repos and removing the eos-hooks package apparently, and depending who you ask: cleansing systemd from your system.

            • LeFantome@programming.dev
              1·
              7 months ago

              You do not have to switch mirrors. EOS uses the Arch repos.

              If you uninstall eos-hooks, it will even start reporting as Arch.

      • Allero@lemmy.today
        2·
        7 months ago

        Kinda hated, but not as much as Manjaro.

        Manjaro guy’s perspective - nicer than Endeavour, at least there is some functionality that is actually useful and justifies it being a separate distro.

        Normally, Arch folks hate Chaotic-AUR as part of Garuda, the bloat™, and the fact it’s heavily designed with hypergaming styling, which is not only not pleasing for many, but adds extra hurdles on the way to ricing.

    • LeFantome@programming.dev
      1·
      7 months ago

      I just installed EOS a couple of minutes ago and realized what you are saying.

      So, during install, you did not click on the box that says “firewall” ( selected by default ) and you did not click on the box that says “Printing support” ( not selected by default ). To you, that means that EOS does not know who it is targeting?

      These seem like sensible defaults. Regular users should use a firewall. Many systems will not connect to a printer.

      Clicking clearly presented checkboxes ( or leaving them as default ) at the point the installer asks you to seems pretty friendly. It is certainly a lot more friendly than having to know what pacman -S is and whatever the hell CUPS is ( I know what it is but “printing” seems a bit more newb friendly ).

      Not setting stuff up at install time and then complaining that it is not installed the way you want seems….”odd”. Also, the SAMBA packages for EOS come from the Arch repos. The experience adding packages post install is literally identical between the two distros.

      This is not a very compelling indictment of EOS.

      • sleepyTonia@programming.dev
        2·
        7 months ago

        I’m sure EndeavourOS is perfectly fine for the people who work on it and their core user base. That’s not my issue. It’s still happily running on my laptop. I just keep on seeing people say “Don’t use Manjaro, use EndevourOS! It’s much better.” But your average computer user would lose their shit at having to deal with those ^ issues. “You just had to enable it at installation if you wanted printing. You didn’t see the checkbox?! Oh mah gaaa” …Seriously? It’s not a checkbox to turn it back on if you miss it and should be opt-out to begin with. Are you going to tell me CUPs is a significant memory/storage drain and a gaping vulnerability in a residential network? If one’s not familiar with Linux, CUPS, pacman and Systemd it’s a huge headache for most people to get this working.

        I just think that EndeavourOS shouldn’t be presented as a Manjaro alternative for your average person, when it’s an opinionated Arch-based distro with spotty defaults aimed at somewhat experienced Linux users that want nitty-gritty control over their system. (Users which, again, might as well be using vanilla Arch if that’s fun or important to them) And it has some weird update/mirror manager that prevented me from just using pacman to update my system at one point and I had to figure out whatever it was they wanted me to use. Never had this kind of crap happen to me in Manjaro. Nor was printing disabled by default. Nor were network shares hard to get working.