• atrielienz@lemmy.world
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    So, the EU banned these trucks because they present a danger to pedestrians, and someone modded one with rubberized bumpers to get it registered. That’s it. That’s the story.

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      the EU banned

      No. The EU has not done anything regarding this car or this model.

      The EU is just having rules that have made the drivers licenses and the registration process comparable and somewhat similar in it’s member countries, and to let cars from the other member countries drive on their roads.

      The article tells about some of these rules, but it mixes it up with the bedtime stories from this Euro-NCAP guy so that you could get many wrong ideas.

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        EU laws in EU countries prohibit the registering of vehicles that don’t meet certain guidelines that would protect pedestrians, yes?

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          Not exactly. As the article says, each country has it’s own registration laws, and the guidelines from this NGO are usually not a part of the laws.

          A country may still have it’s own guidelines for the topic.

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          It’s not EU law unless it’s coming from the EU. If it comes from the member countries, it’d just be a national law.

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      But it’s yet another opportunity to post a comment about how much we hate cybertrucks and the people who own them, so up it goes!

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    There is no overlap in the venn diagram of people who want a Cybertruck and people who consider pedestrian safety when buying a personal vehicle.

    Actually, is there anyone that makes vehicle purchasing decisions considering pedestrian safety scores?

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      No, because no one intends to hit a pedestrian with the car they are buying. That’s why we need to mandate safer vehicles, not trust people to factor that in as they look for a car.

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        I say build in spring loaded spikes that impale the driver in the event of a collision with a pedestrian. Since the cyber truck pretty much has that facing the pedestrians, if the driver is faced with the threat as well maybe they’ll be more careful with their driving.

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        I’d say auto stop features and multiple camera views on reverse are a good selling point of a car. I certainly regret not getting the overhead camera view on the vehicle I purchased (and the blind spot indicators which don’t apply to pedestrians).

        I’d also like to see the infra-red windshield overlays make it out of the prototype stage. This night vision/heat vision feature helps to alert you to deer, dogs, wildlife, and those dumb asses that insist on walking down the road at night in dark clothing in my neighborhood.

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          auto stop features and multiple camera views

          That wasn’t meant by “pedestrian safety”.

          Pedestrian safety is looking at the amount of damage that a car could do to pedestrians in an accident. It comes down to how the car is built. Things like no sharp edges, no hard materials, no dangerous liquids can leak out etc.

          It is quite the opposite of what Massa Elon had in mind when he designed that silly truck. And that’s why this is a topic at all.

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      Parents, maybe? They are usually so concerned about children’s safety, whether that’s their kids or someone else’s.

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        No, most parents will consider vehicle safety for their kids, airbag effects on toddlers, scoring on side impacts, etc… and don’t give two shits about other people’s kids.

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      Doesn’t the existence of this modded truck prove that statement wrong? Because I’m pretty sure you made the only statement explicitly refuted by the existence of this truck.

      Congratulations?

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        It’s not actually any safer, they taped thin rubber strips over the exposed edges. Someone’s friends with an inspector who played dumb, me thinks.

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    If I see one in europe im going to vandalize it.

    We didn’t need your f150’s and we don’t need this. If you love american cars so much just fucking move you complex filled husk of a man.

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        They are completely inappropriate and dangerous on European roads.

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        I assume they are talking about the newer models that have worse sight lines than literal tanks.

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          Well true, but have you looked at european SUVs lately? They’re getting there and i don’t see the EU doing anything to limit dimensions.

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            This comment is pure Whataboutism. You asked what was wrong with the F150’s and you got answered. And your response is, “well, the european ones are probably gonna do it too!”

            C’mon man.

            Regardless of who’s doing it, it still sucks and is bad.

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              I know a lot of people thought i was defending the F150s - i wasn’t, just asking - and i never said i liked them.

              I don’t, i think new pick-up trucks are ridiculous and the artificial enlargement is equally ridiculous and dangerous. Yet they sell in the EU, don’t they?

              The enlargement trend isn’t exclusive to pick-up trucks and has long since been adopted by SUVs. The BMW X6 is sold in the EU.

              Even the fucking Hummer is sold in the EU! That should not be road legal.

              So the takeaway is that ruling bodies don’t really care about pedestrians, but that’s a known fact, so going after a particular model because it’s cool to do so is just dumbshit hive mentality, be it the cybertruck or another vehicle. Then again, someone else in the comments got downvoted as well for condemning vandalism so… typicial redditlemmy i guess.

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          There are some scenarios where pickup trucks make perfect sense, and I’ve even seen family pickup trucks being utilized by construction workers. It’s another question that today’s construction workers are quite often the rich douches, the lack of front view due to the front hood of the car, or that we already have an issue of people “needing” a work car for a laptop bag.

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            I see a lot of construction companies sport like one raptor or other silly ass pick-up truck. But not for the workers, they use buses, obviously. The raptor is always clean and. Is just for the boss to cruise around and he can still claim he needs it to get to construction sites.

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        And of course it’s a techbro lmfao. You can’t make this shit up.

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    Article sucks. Buried the lead that so few of these trucks are registered that they are individual exemptions for them. Just like how you can build your own car from the ground up and get it registered.

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      Easy, domestic auto producers bribe politicians to make it illegal for foreign automakers to compete in the US because if it were alllowed, domestic automakers would get destroyed.

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      I don’t think it would be difficult to get the IMV up to compliance with US regulations. If they’re selling it in Mexico, it’ll be required to have airbags. The hood looks long enough to have engineered in proper crumpling in a crash. Things like backup cameras might require a little bit of retooling, but that’s not actually super expensive compared to the other expenses of officially bringing it in: the 25% import tax, a parts and service network, etc.

      So it’s a business decision not to even try to get it into the U.S., informed by those regulations.

      In contrast, something like a kei truck wouldn’t be easy to get street legal as a new car in the US: no crumple zone and higher center of gravity are more fundamental safety issues that can’t easily be engineered around.

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        In contrast, something like a kei truck wouldn’t be easy to get street legal as a new car in the US: no crumple zone and higher center of gravity are more fundamental safety issues that can’t easily be engineered around.

        Meanwhile every landscaper is buying brand new Isuzu trucks that are just larger version of kei trucks. The reason they arent legal isnt saftey, but it would eat into the profits of the big 3.

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      I don’t think they need transportation all that much, just look at their cars :)

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    I haven’t read wired in a few years, and it looks like I haven’t missed anything.

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    I love the dacia spring mentioned in the article 😍 most price efficient car out there 😁 it is lightweight and max power is just enough 👌🏻

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        🤣as if I would care how a car looks 😅 what does it change? You see it from the inside, mostly. And personally I don’t think it is ugly, so your statement is wrong. You may say you think it is ugly which is an opinion that anyone is allowed to have. Saying it is ugly is said as fact, which is not possible for ugly/beautiful, since those can not be scientifically measured.

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      Wow that looks like a generic imitation car from a video game or low budget movie that can’t afford to licence real cars.

      Also its performance is something else… Power 45 bhp, top speed 78 mph, max range 140 miles, 0-60 19 seconds. Kudos to Dacia, I didn’t know it was even possible to make an electric car that slow.

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        You know not everyone needs to accelerate to 100km/h in less than 5 seconds. The car for its asking price is fine. It is a nice car for someone who is living in a small city and needs it for occasional errands.

        You know not everyone can afford and/or need 40-50K cars.

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        I think 78 mph is about 130 km/h? If so, it is max speed allowed here and I have no money to pay for speeding 🤷🏻 best prevention: having a car not able to speed 😂🫢i lost so much money with my last car…