Bcachefs lead developer Kent Overstreet published a Patreon post this evening entitled “Trouble in the kernel” where he explained:
"TLDR: the future of bcachefs in the kernel is uncertain, and lots of things aren’t looking good.
Linus has said he isn’t accepting my 6.13 pull request, per “an open issue with the CoC board”, and at this point I have no idea what’s going on with the CoC board. I, for my part, have felt for quite some time that there are issues about our culture and the way we do work that need to be raised, and that hasn’t been going anywhere - hence this post."
It appears that the source of this violation can be found in this Linux kernel mailing list thread.
Perhaps Kent could maybe follow the contributing guidelines instead of being an obstinate child???
guidelines are for the sheeple
Seems Overstreet is just pissy that he can’t talk to people on the kernel mailing list like it’s 2005 anymore. “Get the fuck out of here with this shit,” indeed.
He’s also giving more material to the CoC board by posting this. He’s free to do it but it’s not helping.
I wish he would avoid commenting and stay away from the drama, until he hears from the board if there’s any complaint and what it is.
Get your head examined. And get the fuck out of here with this shit.
Yes, language like this is clearly unacceptable in a productive discussion.
Offtopic, but this reminded me that the Linux kernel has a CoC. Aren’t the recent comments by Linus on the removal of russian maintainers, where he called several kernel developers paid actors, a CoC violation as well? Or have these comments w.r.t. to the CoC already been discussed?
where he called several kernel developers paid actors
He didn’t. He (rightly) called out people who have never contributed to the kernel and posted flame replies to the initial announcement on the mailing list.
This isn’t some wild conspiracy theory either, this is a thing Russia actually does: cause disarray and split “western” communities; divide and conquer. It’s an their explicit goal of the Kremlin to do this; there’s credible accounts of that.
If you want a community that’s resistant to such influences, you ought to call this sort of thing out whenever you see it.
Thanks for your reply! Linus didn’t only call out people posting flame replies, but also folks interested in a serious discussion on that topic, who also contributed to the kernel before (see PeterCxy’s blog: https://typeblog.net/55833/getting-called-paid-actor-by-linus-torvalds). Most people simply wanted to know specifically which compliance requirement lead to the removal of russian maintainers. Linus never responded to these questions and called out people asking for that as russian trolls. AFAIK we still don’t know the exact reasons for the removal, which is just intransparent.
IMO By not answering these reasonable questions and calling people out as russian trolls, Linus did exactly what russian trolls want: cause disarray in the kernel community.
Linus didn’t only call out people posting flame replies, but also folks interested in a serious discussion on that topic, who also contributed to the kernel before (see PeterCxy’s blog: https://typeblog.net/55833/getting-called-paid-actor-by-linus-torvalds).
Here’s what he actually said:
I’m also not going to start discussing legal issues with random internet people who I seriously suspect are paid actors and/or have been riled up by them.
That’s ambiguous at best.
I find it more likely that it’s targetted at the greater crowd replying to that thread rather than this person specifically due to it’s general tone. If Linus thinks you are full of shit, you can be that he will call you out specifically rather than wording it like this.
AFAIK we still don’t know the exact reasons for the removal, which is just intransparent.
We do: https://www.phoronix.com/news/Linux-Compliance-Requirements.
And the other dude calling him insane is okay by comparison?
Whoa strawman there. No it’s not.
Are you a teacher by any chance? Sounds like school justice where the one provoking is always innocent.
Almost universally, any time there’s a power vacuum (whether in the first larger-than-tribes societies, or in societies where state power has become weak), the first authority figures that fill the power vacuum are dicks
- Main authority on bcachefs
wielding real power, in ways that feel quite uncomfortable.
Yes, it’s called feeling guilty about others calling out your attitude. Most people who aren’t power seeking assholes experience that feeling regularly and have learned to deal with it.
Couples therapists say they can tell within a few minutes if a couple is worth working with or not: if it’s anger they’re displaying, then that’s something that can be worked through. If it’s dismissiveness, all hope is lost.
Imagine getting told by a couples therapist that they can’t see your relationship working out… And then you go on a big rant saying how you should still be together?
On the quotes: these are just, like, your opinons, man.
Imagine getting told by a couples therapist that they can’t see your relationship working out… And then you go on a big rant saying how you should still be together?
Honestly, if someone has to go to couples therapy, they’re already at a point where their judgement is written off.
so next we can expect a tirade from Hans Reiser now that ReiserFS was deleted from the kernel?
Did you literally not even read your own link?
Overstreet needs to hire someone to do all of his communications + public relations + LKML patches/pull requests. The behavior is going to get one of the most exciting filesystems in a long time yanked & momentum die just from the we he handles conflict.
A little off-topic: anyone else read this as “BCA Chefs”, initially?
Every single time. I know how I’m supposed to read it, I know what it means and where it comes from, but I physically cannot read it any other way.
Worst name ever.
I heard on cachyos forums that the maintainer of bcachefs can be quirky.
quirky
From the little I’ve been reading Kent Overstreet just sounds like an incredibly arrogant developer with some talent.
It reeks of someone whose opinion of themselves exceeds their ability.
I think I worded it differently.
Finally, a cure for insomnia. Thanks, I hate it!
The true solution to this is that CoC board needs to be abolished, and just get things working. Why’s that so difficult?
Really can’t wait for the coc board to self destruct at this rate so we can get a better alternative to Linux already.
Get your head examined. And get the fuck out of here with that shit
Get your head examined and enjoy your dying kernel. Adding politics that inherently go against foss philosophy is a bad idea, if you think you want to stay foss.
Are we still talking about the OP? The idea that it’s wrong to curse someone out because you disagree with their take is not “politics that inherently goes against FOSS philosophy.” Foss grows faster when more people get involved and contribute. If the most vocal contributors treat everyone they disagree with like shit, they will demoralize their community and make others stop wanting to contribute. That kills projects.
