I’m brand new to Nix, and I was just checking out the release schedule (NixOS 24.05 — Release Schedule · Issue #303285 · NixOS/nixpkgs · GitHub) to figure out if I should hold off for the new release (I prefer sticking to stable branches) or not. While browsing, I stumbled upon a comment regarding Jon’s ban, which piqued my interest to learn more about how the project operates. I’m keen on diving into NixOS, so understanding why Jon got banned, whether it was justified, and if I want to be part ...
As a first-hand account; Jon has been the nicest of all the maintainers I’ve had interactions with ( ~7), probably followed by Ryan Mulligan. The only reason I remember Jon’s name (I usually just recognize maintainers by their profile pictures) is because a couple years ago, as part of this thread I was reading this github issue with a really rude/attacking user. I remember reading Jon’s response and thinking “This is one of the most patient FOSS devs on all of Github”.
However, take ^that as-is, because I am not up to date on anything recent. I just wanted to provide the small bit of insight I do have.
Here’s some of my interactions for those who like to judge for themselves:
them being nice and all is nice however they are causing real problems and stirring drama for troubles that they caused
I don’t really understand the reasoning behind vouching for them when they are currently creating problems and haven’t really tried to solve anything besides creating enough drama to (what it seems to me) try and force themselves back into direct repository access
I kinda of see their past and current actions as ways to maintain a position of power which is quite problematic as they still haven’t addressed a key concern being their conflict of interest from working with Anduril
being nice is good for maintaining good social cohesion and whatnot but stirring shit and creating real problems kinda negates it
This thread claims it has nothing to do with Anduril.
Makes it sound like he has better communicates with computers than with people. And people that better communicate with peoples than computers were offended.
If that is the case, him being nice has everything to do with it, as it differentiates between bad intentions and low communication skills.
To be clear: I have know insight into the internals of this clusterfuck. Just looking from the side at splater of shit from the fan.
Absolutely, I didn’t mean my comment as excuse or justification. I personally don’t want any sponsored people on the board. Defense contractor or otherwise.
I’m still trying to disentangle the “stirring up drama” part though.
I don’t know what AstroTurf means. Jon might be in the wrong, and I’ll edit my comment to put bad stuff at the top once I’m caught up. I’m just giving the info I have. If you have some let me know.
If AstroTurf means a bot, check my history here and on Github (jeff-hykin)
Edit: turns out this story goes way beyond Jon, all of Nix is in flux right now. My personal experience is kind of irrelevant.
Edit edit: just read this: https://discourse.nixos.org/t/nixos-foundation-board-giving-power-to-the-community/44552
Original Post:
As a first-hand account; Jon has been the nicest of all the maintainers I’ve had interactions with ( ~7), probably followed by Ryan Mulligan. The only reason I remember Jon’s name (I usually just recognize maintainers by their profile pictures) is because a couple years ago, as part of this thread I was reading this github issue with a really rude/attacking user. I remember reading Jon’s response and thinking “This is one of the most patient FOSS devs on all of Github”.
However, take ^that as-is, because I am not up to date on anything recent. I just wanted to provide the small bit of insight I do have.
Here’s some of my interactions for those who like to judge for themselves:
them being nice and all is nice however they are causing real problems and stirring drama for troubles that they caused
I don’t really understand the reasoning behind vouching for them when they are currently creating problems and haven’t really tried to solve anything besides creating enough drama to (what it seems to me) try and force themselves back into direct repository access
I kinda of see their past and current actions as ways to maintain a position of power which is quite problematic as they still haven’t addressed a key concern being their conflict of interest from working with Anduril
being nice is good for maintaining good social cohesion and whatnot but stirring shit and creating real problems kinda negates it
I’m personally not convinced
This thread claims it has nothing to do with Anduril.
Makes it sound like he has better communicates with computers than with people. And people that better communicate with peoples than computers were offended.
If that is the case, him being nice has everything to do with it, as it differentiates between bad intentions and low communication skills.
To be clear: I have know insight into the internals of this clusterfuck. Just looking from the side at splater of shit from the fan.
Absolutely, I didn’t mean my comment as excuse or justification. I personally don’t want any sponsored people on the board. Defense contractor or otherwise.
I’m still trying to disentangle the “stirring up drama” part though.
This reeks of astroturf. That’s a lot of effort to put into saying absolutely nothing of substance. I cannot assume in good faith impartiality.
I don’t know what AstroTurf means. Jon might be in the wrong, and I’ll edit my comment to put bad stuff at the top once I’m caught up. I’m just giving the info I have. If you have some let me know.
If AstroTurf means a bot, check my history here and on Github (jeff-hykin)