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Couldn’t disagree with you more, the thing about federation is that it isn’t viewing the content on the server it was posted on, it is crossposting it to all other federated servers. That means you are when federating remote content you are literally platforming it. That also means you are liable for it if it’s objectionable or illegal content. So being able to not accept those crossposts is important. Honestly defederation and limited federation are not as big of issues as you and others think they are, you can ignore the majority of the defederated servers and it’ll be fine, the issue comes when people want the world and aren’t entitles to have it, like I said in my other comment.

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Email is an example of a successful federated platform and it barely has defederation support.

You are insanely naive for saying this. If you’d used non-corporate email servers, like the much smaller email providers out there (which are basically extinct at this point) you’d know just how wrong this actually is. Most smaller email providers out there are blocked or limited by the big ones and the ones that are blocked your mail will never reach the inboxes of people on the big servers, not even the spam folders on those servers. They won’t bounce it back to you either, so it’ll just go into the void.

Most email these days is used primarily by the all mighty trinity: Gmail, Outlook, and Yahoo, and a Few on Hotmail and AOL and while there are a few smaller companies out there like Proton, when it comes to something that isn’t a company or is self-hosted you can expect a lot of problems with domains being blacklisted, IPs being blacklisted, or both. And it’s actually much worse than defederation.

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Perhaps that is how at least the non-threaded fediverse should work… However, that would also mean that some instance hosting heinous shit would keep being visible to everyone. It’s a tricky problem.

You’re beginning to realize why the decision to limit spam and illegal shit was chosen over catering to the people who want the whole federated world instead of what they’re allowed access to. Ultimately it is better for everyone if the depraved shit and spam gets blocked, than it is for the people who want the whole world to have their way. If you want the world, go to Nostr, you’ll learn why most people do not want the world.

They’re choosing to attack the public square anyway, because they don’t want their shelters, they want the whole fucking world. And they can’t have it.

This is the best way of putting it, the whole thing about people complaining about defederation. Honestly fuck the people who are like this, who do you think you are asking for the whole world when you weren’t entitled to it in the first place. You weren’t entitled access to Facebook content from Reddit or vice versa. It’s the same here.

I know that part of the reason people like that came her in the first place was because Mastodon and the OG fediverse services made that empty promise to them in the beginning (also saying a lot of shit about freedom and free speech) so those are the people that have been attracted. It really needs to be said loud and clear that this isn’t the case or intention, and catering to people who want the world when they don’t deserve it, is not the goal of the Fediverse or decentralization.

You can see it in your modlog by filtering by community bans. Here’s a link to that: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/modlog?page=1&actionType=ModBanFromCommunity&userId=7652836

That said a lot of these bans you received seem more than justified, only the Hexbear ones I would really chalk up to nutty mods, but if you disagree I’d suggest posting about it on !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com as this isn’t the place to discuss mod abuse, that is.

Their audience isn’t the problem it’s mainly the moderation style they use, which is very extreme, even compared to similar instances like lemmy.blahaj.zone.

Especially because they likely did it knowing they could sneakily refederate later without people knowing, which is probably what they did recently.

Yeah they’re way too extreme up to the point of walking on eggshells around them. Personally I never participated there but from what I’ve seen they go way too harsh. I think their intentions are good but they still need to loosen up a bit, okay a lot.

Though in a way it’s good because it means they broke the early network effect they had in their communities by cutting off lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works.

The people in the early days of Fediverse who came up with cringey and misleading fediverse admins made a lot of claims that weren’t true. Like that here no one can censor (moderate) you and that it’s a freeze peach bastion. Both of these are not true at all. ActivityPub federation isn’t about no rules, freedom of speech, or lack of censoring. It’s about sites and services cooperating and inter-operating. Freedom of speech isn’t a goal of the fediverse, (alt-right trolls, transphobes, extremists need to be banned to have healthy communities) nor is it about not being able to be moderated. It is about websites to be able to cooperate and interoperate and share their content automatically with each others users.

If you wanted something for free speech and un-governability this isn’t it. You’re probably better off on Nostr. Until you realize how awful that actually is (even EH realized that hence why hilariouschaos.com exists).

They got offended because they support that same crap and they see it being called out.

I don’t know if I would agree with that assessment entirely, yes Lemmy.world has the same starting Jerk to not jerk ratio. However on Lemmy.world the amount of jerks who aren’t banned is higher than instances like blahaj.zone, dbzer0, or pawb.social. So there are more jerks on Lemmy.world, not because it attracts more jerks or has more users but also because it doesn’t ban them as often as other instances do.

I’m using jerk kind of loosely but I’ll clarify because people will think I’m trying to say someone should be banned for a rude moment but I’m not. When I say jerk, what I really mean is alt-right troll, transphobe, sealioner, climate-denier, etc. Someone who isn’t obvious enough to be caught as a spammer would but who is still bad for the community.

Lemmy.world has kind of awful moderation, which means people who are trolls or bad actors have lived here for a very long time despite multiple reports. It was only recently that Linkerbaan (the most notorious one of all) was banned, and it took a thread complaining about bans in !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com and dbzer0 admins messaging them to get their attention.

There are other people here like that which never receive permanent bans for consistently horrible behavior. It’s not great, and while I don’t agree with Beehaw’s decision to defederate over it I do think that things could be better. It does degrade user experience to have known trolls and assholes running wild and only getting a slap on the wrist when they do something horrible.

You can still get your money back for it if you payed with a card, it’s not like RD will be useful again. Might as well reclaim the money you just spent on it.

Yeah it would be so posts under those same tags get indexed together. Also probably wouldn’t be worth it to enable it in comments. It would probably be an extra field in the post where you add tags, not just typing a #hashtag.

That’s great, hopefully Lemmy can support something like that soon. I know the devs said following tags is out of the question but I don’t think that means content shouldn’t have tags.

I think that Lemmy would benefit from a tag system, one that allows both adding tags to communities but also to posts, the upshot is that these could be handled like hashtags on other federated platforms like Mastodon. Lemmy already does this with posts in a community, but it’s just a hashtag of the community name, would be good if users could add their own tags.

They usually release a lot of bug fixes after a major update, and 0.19.6 had some nasty ones, mostly UI related. Which unfortunately wasn’t entirely fixed in 0.19.7 but at least they’re working on it.

I don’t know how it is on mbin but on Lemmy the best thing to do is message the admins directly, and not bother reporting. This is because Lemmy’s developers give way to much credit to the legitimacy of forum moderators and do not allow a way for reports to only be sent to administrators, meaning that community mods like these can easily dismiss reports before they are seen by admins. So best thing to do is message them directly at the current time.

Even with the Hashtag misuse that’s not as bad as group spam, since people spamming groups can reach further than they otherwise would just spamming on their server. Which is why being able to moderate groups is important. Also with Guppe’s system you can create any group you want without authorization, that’s a problem because malicious people can create groups that aren’t acceptable including ones with racist and illegal content and use it to distribute that across the network. I found a few of these without much digging and I quickly reported them to Mastodon.social and got them suspended but they’re still there on the other servers.

The problem with Guppe is that it automatically federates all the post content unlike with hashtags which are just a marker. If someone spams in a hashtag n one server it’s going to suck but unless people follow them it’ll be limited to that server for the most part. With Guppe groups if they spam to them it gets boosted to all servers. It’s not just a tag that gets cluttered, it forces the content into all the other instances by way of boosting.

Something I learned recently which should’ve been obvious but I guess I just never noticed it was that it seems that Guppe groups aren’t moderated, like at all. This is concerning and problematic because it basically means they could become spam and hate vectors with only the admins of individual servers able to moderate the content. Compare that to the fact that Lemmy and mbin indeed can moderate communties, remove posts, and most importantly ban users from participating and stop the group from boosting them. That’s as good a reason as any why one might want to use Lemmy or mbin to host groups on Mastodon instead of guppe.

Yeah I’ve heard the spam problems have gotten worse these days but I always knew people complained about that because many of the services just didn’t moderate spam.