Firefox is literally not in Ubuntu’s repos anymore. They didn’t want to maintain it as Mozilla agreed to just make the Snap version that works across all Ubuntu versions and anywhere else.

What should the command do? Just fail? Instead it clearly tells you it’s downloading the snap of Firefox.

In fact if it was up to me I would just get rid of most GUI apps from the repos that have a snap/flatpak equivalent.

He is a true CEO of Linux. Has no clue about what he’s doing but he’s very confident. He should’ve at least read a tiny bit about how this works. Such as, you can’t go and install apt packages without updating your system first, or else you will run into issues. You also can’t use a GUI apt frontend as well as apt via the command line. Some of the errors he encountered are totally Ubuntu’s fault tho, such as the broken installer.

From what I’ve seen Ubuntu LTS to LTS updates still work just fine. When I see a post on reddit asking why did it fail, it’s usually due to PPAs or because they upgraded to a LTS that released recently and something is wrong with the upgrade path. Mistakes happen, and get fixed. Windows 11 also fucked up some computers that attempted to upgrade to 24H2.

I totally get not trusting the distro anymore if it caused you so many problems tho.

I also want a progress bar or something to indicate when things are complete and I can resume doing whatever I had in min

This was actually added in 24.10. When you close the running app that wants to update, a progress bar appears under its icon in the dock. (https://youtu.be/MI0cN1tuZGU?t=5m44s)

As for the notifications, yes I can see them being annoying. But they can be turned off in the settings. In which case the ideal behaviour is you quitting the app, doing something else, and the apo quietly auto updating in the background. There are bugs. I experienced having to close Firefox for a few seconds because it wanted to update. This should be changed.

What I also don’t like is how you will encounter abandoned snaps such as qbittorrent, but under it there will be qbittorrent-something, the app maintained by another person. It would make a lot of sense to just transfer the ownership of qbittorrent to the active maintainer.

Edit: Progress is also being made to make the Snap permissions behave similarly like apps on Android. A user will open Firefox, save an image, and a popup will ask whether Firefox should be allowed to access to Downloads, or to the entire Home folder. More permissions like this are expected to arrive in the future.

That’s correct. If you trust the client, it’s fine. Such as if your messages leave the device encrypted already. If the encryption is handled by the server tho, its license does not matter in any way, they can do whatever they want with it. I know telegram has two communication modes, and if you trust the E2E one then all should be well. (I don’t know how great Telegram’s client-side encryption is)

I’m not defending Telegram here, I don’t really trust it, but all that matters in encrypted communication in general is whether the client app is secure and no sensitive data leave it unencrypted.

You keep saying broken but Canonical has an entire OS that is made up of Snaps and it works well. I used snaps on multiple devices and it rarely gave me trouble. Nothing is perfect but “fundamentally broken” is bullshit.

Trying to twist that as an elitist point of view with FOSS (which there are plenty of, obviously) is misleading and just straight up false.

I recognize that your reasons for disliking snaps go deeper than screeching about how flatpak repos are selfhostable and Canonical is trying to take over Linux or whatever. But that’s what I mainly encounter on all social media. Hatred for a piece of tech simply because other people said it’s bad, therefore it must be.

Auto updating is not inherently bad. Regular users don’t keep their systems up to date and so Snap does it for them. I get that this pisses some people off because it resembles windows, but guess why windows works this way? Its users don’t know how to update either. So Microsoft chose to rather piss off a few nerds with default automatic updates than risk millions of computers being vulnerable.

For an advanced user it just can’t be a problem to postpone snap updates with a simple command.

I disagree for many reasons, but I realize that nobody on Lemmy really gives a shit since people here react to anything that even smells of proprietary as if it was radioactive.

You act as if Snap was bad in any way. Proprietary backend does not equal bad.

Edit: Most people don’t care about FOSS vs proprietary. And the snap client is FOSS anyways, plus it’s capable of installing snaps from local files.

Found the porch pirate.

A former NASA engineer that started a youtube channel where he showcases the tech projects he works on. You may know him from the Glitter Bomb series where he humiliated a lot of porch pirates.

Fair enough

Someone definitely reads the changed code of Gentoo packages. You are saying that every operating system on the planet is untrustworthy, besides gentoo and a few other source-based distros, but let’s target Ubuntu in particular.

Corporates. 60€/month is an acceptable price for them.

Could have been installed as a dependency of something. https://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2022/04/remove-snap-block-ubuntu-2204/ You can also make sure apt won’t install it again

I was recommended this https://flathub.org/apps/io.github.vikdevelop.SaveDesktop Seems very user friendly and can do everything except for installing software.

Yeah, that sucks. I would still want it if I were to use Fedora, as an option.

I checked and Fedora dropped support for the snap plugin. https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/enable-snap-in-gnome-software/76134

These are also the only packages related to gnome-software:

Related Packages

    gnome-software-devel
    gnome-software-fedora-langpacks
    gnome-software-rpm-ostree

From what I remember, their gnome-software already has flatpak support. So all that will be missing is the GUI snap support. Could’ve been worse.

I added sudo apt install gnome-software-plugin-snap gnome-software-plugin-flatpak gnome-software Looks like Fedora does not have gnome-software-plugin-snap or gnome-software-plugin-flatpak in its repos.

I don’t wish to learn Nix. I’m perfectly fine with Debian/Ubuntu/Fedora. When a new version comes out, all I have to do is change the versions of the extensions according to the new Gnome version.

Nope, I don’t touch the snap-store on Ubuntus (to be fair I don’t install any snap plugins for gnome software center on Debian/Fedora either). As for flatpak, it’s installed via apt from the regular repos. I didn’t even know there was an up to date PPA.

I know about this but that’s meant for 18.04 and earlier.

Edit: these are good suggestions tho. Something to work on to improve it even more.

inb4 snap bad, they are bash scripts. Anyone can delete any command they don’t like.