It’s not different from majority of the world, it’s different from 13% of the population in western nations who are using Ukraine to fight a proxy war with Russia. What’s not a good look is pretending what everybody can see is happening isn’t what it is.
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It looks like Turkey and Israel came up with a plot to overrun Syria with insurgents and then start carving it up.
Trying to eradicate culture, use of language, and subjugate a population certainly does meet the intent. The fact that they weren’t able to do it the way Israel is doing in Palestine is entirely due to the fact that LPR and DPR manage to mount effective resistance.
Buddy, they weren’t even hiding it. Here’s Poroshenko saying precisely what the goal was. If you had a shred of integrity you’d be deeply ashamed of trying to white wash this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHWHqj8g7Bk
Ukraine promised to implement Minsk and stop ethnic cleansing in Donbas for 8 years. Then western leaders came out and said that the purpose of Minsk agreements was to give Ukraine more time to arm.
Meanwhile, the fact that it was the west who sabotaged the peace deal two months in is a well documented fact
- https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/05/5/7344206/
- https://geopoliticaleconomy.com/2022/09/03/west-peace-proposal-ukraine-russia/
- https://peoplesdispatch.org/2022/10/25/the-west-must-stop-blocking-negotiations-between-ukraine-and-russia/
- https://www.aaronmate.net/p/ukraines-top-negotiator-confirms
- even Nuland has now openly admitted this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiS2dg_atfc
It’s incredible that anybody could be so utterly dishonest to characterize this as helping Ukraine.
One explanation here is that a conscious decision was made to withdraw. People tend to forget that the adversaries of the empire also have agency as well. Russia and Iran aren’t stupid, and they likely saw that the west was going to flare up the conflict in Syria again. One option was to pour resources into Syria to fight off the jihadists. This would be long and protracted quagmire just as it was last time around. The other options was simply to withdraw and let them take it. These groups all hate each other, and they’re not a cohesive fighting force. They’re already starting to fight each other just days after taking over, and it’s only going to get worse. An iron rule is that when something looks too good to be true it usually is.
I love it how people still trot our wikipedia as a source of truth, go read at the sources I’ve provided in this thread
Yeah, the reason being that the west made false promises to Ukraine that led to their destruction as has been the case with every prior western proxy.
Ukraine had independence until the west overthrew their democratically elected government in a violent neofascist coup.
You’re right, Ukraine was just doing some light ethnic cleansing in Donbas that the west was cheering on. At least you lot are consistent in your support for ethnic cleansing and genocide.
already have in this very thread
things that absolutely happened outside liberal fantasies
I’m sorry that well documented facts upset you NAFO
It was quite swift initially, and if the west didn’t torpedo the deal then the whole thing could’ve been over in 2 months.
Ukraine consists of a number of different ethnic groups. The eastern part of Ukraine used to be Russia before the revolution, and is largely populated by ethnic Russians. After the 2014 coup, eastern parts of Ukraine rebelled and it’s been in a civil war ever since. The slides from this lecture that Mearsheimer gave back in 2015 provide a good background. First, here’s the demographic breakdown of Ukraine:
here’s how the election in 2004 went:
this is the 2010 election:
As we can clearly see from the voting patterns in both elections, the country is divided exactly across the current line of conflict. Furthermore, a survey conducted in 2015 further shows that there is a sharp division between people of eastern and western Ukraine on which economic bloc they would rather belong to:
The civil war has been going on for the 8 years since the coup, and the goal of subjugating the people of Donbass has been openly stated by the regime. For example, here’s Poroshenko saying openly saying that the goal was to terrorize the people into submission. Here’s a clip of CNN reporting on the regime attacking civilians. There’s also a whole documentary with lots of interviews of civilians.
In 2022, LPR and DPR appealed to Russia to intervene, and that’s how the current war started. Incidentally, it’s pretty much modelled on how NATO invaded Yugoslavia when they recognized the autonomy of the separatist regions and intervened on their behalf.
It’s true, there are significant differences. One is a response to ethnic cleansing and NATO expansion,while the other is a genocidal regime invading its neighbour.
Feel free to find a western news agency covering Israeli invasion of Syria the same way they cover Russia.
Again, the intent is very clear and indisputable. The only reason it’s not a full on genocide the way it is in Gaza is because Ukraine lacked the means to follow through. Meanwhile, it’s funny how these same genocide experts never condemned the US for making completely unfounded genocide claims against China.