As a queer person in a place currently under russian control, I find a lot of the comments in favour of the censorship problematic. Being gay in public is illegal here, so a lot of our queer people find communities on the Internet. Being cut off from those would be terrible.
Plus, there are things in Russia that I want. Like Starsector
Gladly, no more fucking Putin Bots.
Their bots will access the net
I’m sure they will still be around.
And nothing of value was lost.
Wait, so just like that, we’re gonna lose access to lemmy.ml and hexbear? Oh no! Woe, woe unto us! How will we survive this?
Good fucking riddance. (No offense cool innocent Russian people.)
What makes you think the worst parts won’t still get through or be allowed through…like troll farms or hacking groups?
Well if they cut themselves off, then why wouldn’t western nations just finish the job and block all Russian IPs from connecting? Make them travel outside of Russia to set up propaganda machines. Sure, it won’t have much of an effect, but it’ll annoy them, and that’s something.
They’d just do the same thing anyone does when the want to obscure their home IP. Just use VPNs, route though sympathetic counties, or other ways to hide who you are. It’d just be a constant game of whack-a-mole. Why do you think we can’t just block people who hack our infrastructure or companies can’t so easily block data thieves? If all it took was blocking a couple addresses or a range it would be easy.
Yeah that works real well for NK
Be good practice for when the rest of the world cuts them off for real.
Then who will post on reddit?
Oh man old-games.ru will be gone from access
So much rare untouched abandonware there
Any got the backup torrent of russia, all of russia?
Russian Federation? M-more, more like, like… Russian De-Federation, am I right?
I’m only familiar with the magnificent russian defenestration rate.
It’s as close to 1 as a country can get.
I hope rutracker will stay available :P
Yeah I’m sure going full north Korea and cutting of everyone below the government is gonna work well
Depends upon how you measure “well”.
The Kim dynasty is still going strong, three generations in. Odds are that the Kims and probably a number of people at the top would be worse-off if things changed. From their perspective, things probably are going pretty well in North Korea.
Of course, the standard of living of the North Korean public is pretty horrendous, the economy is undeveloped, and North Korea doesn’t have a lot of international clout. If your metric is whether the typical person in society is living well or whether the country is powerful, wealthy, or secure, then things aren’t going very well.
NK never had Internet. The people never lost anything. Everyone in Russia is online. They might not have toilets, but they have mobile data.
Odds are that the Kims and probably a number of people at the top would be worse-off if things changed.
I mean, when you compare North Korea to the poorer parts of the periphery that capitulated to neoliberal capital - Haiti, Liberia, the former Yugoslavian states, Argentina right now, the Philippines, Lebanon or Iraq or Gaza - even the lay resident is getting out reasonably well off. They aren’t living in an active war zone, they’ve got a backwards but still functional economy, and they’re even making inroads on foreign trade at long last.
The xenophobic siege mentality of the Kims appears to have spared them a far worse fate, just by keeping the country isolated from shit like COVID and The War on Terror. They never got the windfall of the 20th century industrial economy, but they also didn’t get systematically wiped out like American Natives or Black Angolans or Rohingya Muslims.
Could they just stay that way?
Russia tests cutting
itselftheir citizens off from the rest of the internetThe state would certainly continue to interfere with the rest.
If everybody but the state is blocked, then any connections from Russia would be pretty fucking obviously the state. Honestly, that’s the best thing that could happen, since it would make figuring out what they are doing easy as fuck. But I have no doubt they are smart enough to just send their teams to China or something like North Korea does.
In the long term is will fuck over their ability to hack stuff. You’re essentially ruining people’s ability to develop talent at tech. Even if u want to train them in it as military, it would be new to them.
Nah, they’d just do what NK does and pull out the “brightest” and train them in cyber
Good
Edit: actually not good. Disinformation agencies will still have access, so hexbear and .lm will remain. Only citizens will be punished and will be cut from non-prpaganda sources.
The majority of the people in those instances are probably not working with the state, they’re just what the Soviet Union used to refer to as “useful idiots”. So they would indeed be blocked if Hexbear and lemmy.ml are hosted in Russia.
Yup, it’s the opposite of good. Russian citizens are getting screwed here.
