Social media users will need to verify their identities under new decree 147, prompting fears it will undermine expression and expose anonymous dissidents
Countries don’t do this to oppress their people, they do it because they’ve seen the Internet used to influence right wing extremists by foreign actors.
They do this because they can and because people let them. Every government wants as much control as possible over everything, web being the (relatively) newest target. It’s on us to oppose that.
By definition, this law is authoritarian in its very nature. Far right wing extremism at it’s finest. But only to protect the people from…far right wing extremism???
Umm, sure, if you say so dude. Or, wait a minute, no, you’re completely off your rocker. Like, what the fuck…
Not everyone lives in America. Most governments in the world are not just fronts for oligarchs. I trust the current government of my country to act in the better interests of the people most of the time (sadly we live in a capitalist dystopia, so sometimes lobbying can make politicians fuck up). If you don’t trust yours, you should look into what you can do to make a change.
I don’t live in America, I live in Europe, but the fact you believe in the effectiveness of democracy when governments under capitalism exist to protect corporations and maintain balance for the most part - to me shows naiveté more than anything.
I don’t trust the government, nor should you, and there’s nothing short of a revolution that can change that.
Sure, don’t trust your government. What are you trusting then? Sure as hell not corporations, I hope. Yourself? That’s what I would call of naiveté. An individual power is irrelevant in the modern world, even most communities are irrelevant (Lemmy is an example, we’re the 0,001%). Revolution sure is a nice idea, but I don’t see anyone getting off their arses and doing it (talking about it on Lemmy doesn’t matter, it’s a tiny little bubble), and honestly, I don’t even think revolutions are technically possible anymore (the powers that be are very keenly aware of its processes, mechanisms and risks, and media manipulation is so fucking easy these days). So you got to do something, you have to stand behind some power that can actually make a difference: there’s only one real/realistic choice: your government. I’ve seen what happens when the left starts voicing their mistrust of the government too carelessly. The right will take those complaints and shift them into their own, and things will snowball very quickly. People often mistake the idea of trust with the idea of blind faith. You can trust someone/something and still complain and fight against some of their actions and decisions. But you have to pick your battles very carefully. If you want a history lesson, look up what happened with Brazil in the period between 2011-2018. I was there, I lived through history. I can tell you that we should all really be fucking afraid of social medias and the internet, and if a government moves aggressively into regulating that, we should take a step back and think very hard while analysing the whole picture. Even if it looks like authoritarianism, it might still be the correct choice.
Nothing. I don’t have any particular need for quasi-religious faith in corporations or institutions that protect them like governments. It’s just glorified HR for corporations.
Yourself? That’s what I would call of naiveté. An individual power is irrelevant in the modern world, even most communities are irrelevant (Lemmy is an example, we’re the 0,001%)
I don’t really see the relevance.
Revolution sure is a nice idea, but I don’t see anyone getting off their arses and doing it (talking about it on Lemmy doesn’t matter, it’s a tiny little bubble), and honestly, I don’t even think revolutions are technically possible anymore (the powers that be are very keenly aware of its processes, mechanisms and risks, and media manipulation is so fucking easy these days)
I agree.
So you got to do something, you have to stand behind some power that can actually make a difference: there’s only one real/realistic choice: your government.
The only difference is I don’t believe this either. Governments serve at the pleasure of capital.
I’ve seen what happens when the left starts voicing their mistrust of the government too carelessly. The right will take those complaints and shift them into their own, and things will snowball very quickly.
They will do this either way. It’s utterly irrelevant what you say, a determined rightoid will twist it to their gain.
People often mistake the idea of trust with the idea of blind faith. You can trust someone/something and still complain and fight against some of their actions and decisions.
Yeah I fundamentally don’t believe it is possible to have a truly beneficial government in any useful modern contemporary sense of the term. The very concentration of power invites corruption.
But you have to pick your battles very carefully. If you want a history lesson
Sure.
look up what happened with Brazil in the period between 2011-2018. I was there, I lived through history.
So? I lived through history too, extreme poverty in Russia, brief benefits of liberalisation, government overreach and eventually the beginning of fascist wars of conquest, then Brexit in the UK and utter collapse of consensus reality across the west and it’s taught me rather differently.
I can tell you that we should all really be fucking afraid of social medias and the internet
I’m never afraid of technology, I’m only afraid of people who use it, and that’s what we oughta be afraid of.
and if a government moves aggressively into regulating that, we should take a step back and think very hard while analysing the whole picture. Even if it looks like authoritarianism, it might still be the correct choice.
You never know. But I remain skeptical.
I can either vote to not pay taxes and slave away with no limit till I croak to maximise shareholder value to accelerate biosphere collapse by rich on yachts or I can pay taxes to fund BBC writing hate and fearmongering articles about my people (trans folks) for the benefit of rich on yachts.
Not much of a choice, is it? You’ll forgive me then if I stay an anarchist.
Don’t even try to reason with people here that governments should be responsible for blocking harmful agents to affect the population. Government control and communism are bad words here, it’s obviously much better to be free to spread misinformation and foreign propaganda, and if you can’t have such freedom, you’re obviously being oppressed by the government. I wish my ““free”” country had done the same ~10 years ago when social media truly became mainstream, and maybe we wouldn’t have suffered a coup d’état that was clearly in the best interests of other nations.
Do you think the government is only removing misinformation and foreign propaganda? I’m in Vietnam right now, the government plays propaganda on a loudspeaker daily. The history they portray over here is verifiably false and intentionally misleading.
Countries don’t do this to oppress their people, they do it because they’ve seen the Internet used to influence right wing extremists by foreign actors.
They do this because they can and because people let them. Every government wants as much control as possible over everything, web being the (relatively) newest target. It’s on us to oppose that.
Umm, wtf?
By definition, this law is authoritarian in its very nature. Far right wing extremism at it’s finest. But only to protect the people from…far right wing extremism???
Umm, sure, if you say so dude. Or, wait a minute, no, you’re completely off your rocker. Like, what the fuck…
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While you raise a good point for a potential reason I can’t imagine having this much faith in a government, where does the optimism stem from?
Not everyone lives in America. Most governments in the world are not just fronts for oligarchs. I trust the current government of my country to act in the better interests of the people most of the time (sadly we live in a capitalist dystopia, so sometimes lobbying can make politicians fuck up). If you don’t trust yours, you should look into what you can do to make a change.
I don’t live in America, I live in Europe, but the fact you believe in the effectiveness of democracy when governments under capitalism exist to protect corporations and maintain balance for the most part - to me shows naiveté more than anything.
I don’t trust the government, nor should you, and there’s nothing short of a revolution that can change that.
Sure, don’t trust your government. What are you trusting then? Sure as hell not corporations, I hope. Yourself? That’s what I would call of naiveté. An individual power is irrelevant in the modern world, even most communities are irrelevant (Lemmy is an example, we’re the 0,001%). Revolution sure is a nice idea, but I don’t see anyone getting off their arses and doing it (talking about it on Lemmy doesn’t matter, it’s a tiny little bubble), and honestly, I don’t even think revolutions are technically possible anymore (the powers that be are very keenly aware of its processes, mechanisms and risks, and media manipulation is so fucking easy these days). So you got to do something, you have to stand behind some power that can actually make a difference: there’s only one real/realistic choice: your government. I’ve seen what happens when the left starts voicing their mistrust of the government too carelessly. The right will take those complaints and shift them into their own, and things will snowball very quickly. People often mistake the idea of trust with the idea of blind faith. You can trust someone/something and still complain and fight against some of their actions and decisions. But you have to pick your battles very carefully. If you want a history lesson, look up what happened with Brazil in the period between 2011-2018. I was there, I lived through history. I can tell you that we should all really be fucking afraid of social medias and the internet, and if a government moves aggressively into regulating that, we should take a step back and think very hard while analysing the whole picture. Even if it looks like authoritarianism, it might still be the correct choice.
L> What are you trusting then?
Nothing. I don’t have any particular need for quasi-religious faith in corporations or institutions that protect them like governments. It’s just glorified HR for corporations.
I don’t really see the relevance.
I agree.
The only difference is I don’t believe this either. Governments serve at the pleasure of capital.
They will do this either way. It’s utterly irrelevant what you say, a determined rightoid will twist it to their gain.
Yeah I fundamentally don’t believe it is possible to have a truly beneficial government in any useful modern contemporary sense of the term. The very concentration of power invites corruption.
Sure.
So? I lived through history too, extreme poverty in Russia, brief benefits of liberalisation, government overreach and eventually the beginning of fascist wars of conquest, then Brexit in the UK and utter collapse of consensus reality across the west and it’s taught me rather differently.
I’m never afraid of technology, I’m only afraid of people who use it, and that’s what we oughta be afraid of.
You never know. But I remain skeptical.
I can either vote to not pay taxes and slave away with no limit till I croak to maximise shareholder value to accelerate biosphere collapse by rich on yachts or I can pay taxes to fund BBC writing hate and fearmongering articles about my people (trans folks) for the benefit of rich on yachts.
Not much of a choice, is it? You’ll forgive me then if I stay an anarchist.
“If anyone is going to oppress our people it’s us”
Sure, chief. Whatever you have to tell yourself.
Yes because as we all know there’s a shortage of right wing dipshits who don’t hide their identities.
Don’t even try to reason with people here that governments should be responsible for blocking harmful agents to affect the population. Government control and communism are bad words here, it’s obviously much better to be free to spread misinformation and foreign propaganda, and if you can’t have such freedom, you’re obviously being oppressed by the government. I wish my ““free”” country had done the same ~10 years ago when social media truly became mainstream, and maybe we wouldn’t have suffered a coup d’état that was clearly in the best interests of other nations.
Do you think the government is only removing misinformation and foreign propaganda? I’m in Vietnam right now, the government plays propaganda on a loudspeaker daily. The history they portray over here is verifiably false and intentionally misleading.
It’s almost like having a single party in control of everything is a bad idea…